Talk:Male bonding

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This is just a dictionary definition. I'm not sure it can be made encyclopedic. -- Zwilson 00:45, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• No prob. There's a Wiktionary as well as a Wikipedia. - Lucky 6.9 02:08, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Going for a curry? That's a new one.

NPOV tag

Maybe another tag would be better, but I put the "NPOV" tag up because it seems that the article at this point is one-sided, even on the negative side. It basically lists two forms of male bonding, both, in my opinion, stereotypical: 1. war, 2. drinking and watching sports.

Men bond in many other ways, such as camping and fishing trips, or even spiritual events (such as the Promise Keepers movement). The war/battle and drinking is certainly part of it, but there is much more to this topic than what is present at the moment. -- Andrew Parodi 17:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Critique on Wikipedia page on Female Bonding - Even more Clap Trap

This author does not know what they are talking about.

The gist of the webpages is that females are mutually supportive whilst men make wars.

'Bonding' and attachment are extremely important issues in psychology. Individuals with confused feelings may read these articles and seriously believe that there is something wrong with them because either they are in a female body and want to make war or in a male body and want to make cakes.

There are not different genes in our body which make us want to go to war or make cakes according to our gender. The idea is ridiculous.

Mankind is all the same. We all have feelings and emotions and is wrong to assign particular feelings or emotions according to the person's sex.

I have tried to highlight these points in the TALK pages on; Human bonding, Male bonding and now Female bonding.

Whoever is writing this stuff should read up on attachment theory.

uh huh BlackAdvisor (talk) 00:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Critique on Wikipedia page on Male Bonding - More Clap Trap

Here is the comment I made about the page on 'Human bonding'. The same criticisms are here. As the above person has stated it is not factual.

There is no 'natural' way men and women bond differently. As men we are not pre-programmed to go to war or eat curry or bond in the way suggested. Likewise women are not pre-programmed to do the cooking or for that matter look after children. The author seems to be oblivious to research on attachment.

Critique of 'Human bonding' page on Wikipedia

This article, although well intentioned, lacks intellectual integrity. There is an obvious conflict as to whether 'human bonding' is innate or sociological. The scientific references suggest that 'bonding' is natural and determined by genetics. But the historical references suggest 'bonding' is a man-made or sociological phenomenon. A particular anomaly in this account is the reference to the maternal bond which does not consider infanticide or mothers killing their own children. Indeed the differentiation the account seeks to make between bonding between children and mothers as opposed to fathers is based on popular folklore rather than evidence because as Schaffer in 'Social Development' (2000) states, "It seems likely that social convention explains whatever parenting differences are observed and that when fathers assume the principal responsibility for their children such differences disappear". The account also attributes the application of the term 'bonding' to interpersonal relationships to Merriam-Webster in 1976. But to do so would be to ignore the considerable academic contribution made to psychology before that date. The article is flawed and should be removed from Wikipedia because it seems oblivious to this research and for the other reasons cited. (For further information see Wikipedia page on Attachment theory as well as others) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingsleyMiller (talk • contribs) 12:44, 6 January 2008

THESE 2 articles are unreliable and should be removed.

apologies

My apologies to anybody I may have offended but what is written here and elsewhere is seriously flawed and damaging. I have e-mailed Wikipedia head office to say that they should be removed but I have received the reply that I should amend them. I have tried to show that these pages are so seriously misguided they should be removed altogether.

Merger proposal

I propose that Bromance be merged into Male bonding. This article is small, compared to the content present at bromance. Yet if/when this article gets fleshed out, I predict the two articles together will have large amounts of overlap and duplication in text, context, and reliable sources. Thus, this is a good candidate for Wikipedia:Merging. Thoughts? --Ds13 (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello @Ds13:. I agree that Male bonding should be merged with Bromance but propose that the article remain as Male bonding due to Bromance being an area of Male bonding and not the other way around. The content of both articles are similar enough and both articles would benefit in expanding the content on the subject.Jpani004 (talk) 01:40, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Shared interests/activities

"Friendships among men are often primarily based on shared activities and ambitions"

If that's true, aren't those friendships supposed to be very temporary? I mean (shared) interests change with time. Besides, I don't see how sharing activities with someone makes them your friend?79.100.28.127 (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Is sexual activity involved

What I've seen in this article and dictionary definitions is a deliberate, often tortured, sidestepping of homosexuality. See the movie "I Love You, Man" (2009) to see how Hollywood interprets it. Sex is touched upon by Sydney (Jason Segal) but Peter (stiffly portrayed by Paul Rudd) will have none of it. Do heterosexual men "bond" only up to a certain point? Can they touch? Can they get naked together? Isn't "bromance" stronger than "bond"?

What prompted me to come here is a new article in ScienceDaily 25 Nov 2014 "Homosexuality may help us bond, experts say" Say what?? In reading this article I think the authors failed to define and understand "bond". They are as confused as this article. I'd have to agree with KingsleyMiller above. The subject of "male bonding" is way beyond this author's ability to understand it

Link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141125074755.htm

Dangnad (talk) 02:03, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Adding specific areas of male bonding

I want to propose adding a new heading section that speaks on the male bonding that specifically forms in male locker rooms. Possibly titled Bonding in the Locker room. Some potential sources are:

• Curry, T. J. (1991). Fraternal bonding in the locker room: A profeminist analysis of talk about competition and women. Sociology of Sport Journal, 8(2), 119-135.
• Jimerson, J. B. (2001). A conversation (re)analysis of fraternal bonding in the locker room. Sociology of Sport Journal, 18(3), 317-338.

I think this header is important to the article because the locker room culture for males is important to the sociology of Male bonding.Jpani004 (talk) 02:02, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Upon further research, I believe a list of various locations or activities should be added to show where and when Male bonding occurs or takes place. Jpani004 (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi there, remember to cite the information on this article, as well as include references that are relevant to your information so people know where you gathered your text from. Also, I noticed that theres no inclusion of the boundaries of male bonding. Is a relationship between two men also male bonding? Or does that cross a boundary into homosexuality? Megan Molina (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Megan Molina: Do you know of any sources people can turn to? Alfgarciamora (talk) 15:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

In this article i plan on contributing how male bonding has an impact on men in the ways of body condition and brain activity also how these things differ through out there life span.

I will talk about the types of male bonding that is seen more as kids/teens and adults. I will talk the the importance of male bonding. Also i will talk about what countries encourage or discourage male bonding and why.

Sources ALLEN, MS. Male Bonding and American Literature. Midwest Quarterly. 36, 1, 19-41, Sept. 1994. ISSN: 00263451.

LAM, JS. Male Bonding in Ming China. NAN NU -- Men, Women & Gender in Early & Imperial China. 9, 1, 70-110, Mar. 2007. ISSN: 13876805

Town, C. J. (2004). "The Most Blatant of All Our American Myths": Masculinity, Male Bonding, and the Wilderness in Sinclair Lewis's Mantrap. Journal Of Men's Studies, 12(3), 193-205.

Klitzman R. From "Male Bonding Rituals" to "Suicide Tuesday": A Qualitative Study of Issues Faced by Gay Male Ecstasy (MDMA) Users. Journal Of Homosexuality [serial online]. November 2006;51(3):7-32. Available from: Academic Search Complete, Ipswich, MA. Accessed October 4, 2016.

Koblitz A. Male Bonding around the Campfire. Men & Masculinities[serial online]. July 2006;9(1):95-107. Available from: Academic Search Complete, Ipswich, MA. Accessed October 4, 2016.

DENNISON, MC. McSorley's : John Sloan's Visual Commentary on Male Bonding, Prohibition, and the Working Class. American Studies (00263079). 47, 2, 23-38, 2006. ISSN: 00263079. --Ttyrell3 (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Reverted article

"...and by a chance it is, it can be restored through heterosexual marriage."

"...an attack on feminism from what they've seen and what they have associated with male bonding. Although many males disagree with this..."

"They say it is about having a male friend to talk to..."

"...males also associate the reason they need male bonding is to have someone to watch and do sports with"

Is this supposed to be a parody? This entire thing reads like it was written as one man's idea of an objective form of masculinity that all men uniformly share. I've reverted the article and if something more scholarly can be added, feel free to start from there. 62.56.116.70 (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Psychology 220A

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 September 2024 and 13 December 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Vrosen3 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Vrosen3 (talk) 23:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Article review/feedback requested

I recently updated this article and would appreciate if anyone could review it and provide feedback or edits to continue to improve it. Thanks. Vrosen3 (talk) 07:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@Vrosen3, I don't know a ton about the subject, but you could probably get some good feedback by asking over on Wikiproject Sociology. Farkle Griffen (talk) 03:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Farkle Griffen, Thank you! I added it to the requests on their project assessment page. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Not an official peer review, but a comment. The sources seem highly researched and meet the standard for medical articles (see WP:MEDRS). However, I believe there may be some issues regarding:
• The MOS, including improper subheading formats and capitalization and quotes (fixed), and also possible issues which I'm not aware of yet/will be brought up by a peer reviewer
• the lack of sourcing and attribution for some statements (which have been tagged with inline templates)
• What I believe to be an unnecessary amount of focus on mainly western topics, which may be viewed as biased.
• Possible issues with NPOV

Overall, reviewing this article, it is somewhat clear that this article was written by a student (no offense whatsoever.) There may also be more underlying problems regarding this article which will be brought up by the peer reviewer, who will likely address this more comprehensively and accurately than me. Good luck on the assignment.

Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 08:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sparkle & Fade Thank you for taking the time to review it! I had a much harder time than I had anticipated finding high quality sources on this topic, so I'm glad to hear that you think the ones I ended up including are appropriate. Thank you for the MOS edits and notes where additional citations may be needed. I will go through these and try to rectify them later today.

Regarding the focus on western topics, I completely agree with this critique and had originally planned to devote additional sections to discussion of male bonding across different cultures. Unfortunately, I was not able to find enough high quality sources published in English to support this expansion. Most of what I found was opinion essays, relied on harmful stereotypes, or the entire publication was framed as a comparing other cultures to western cultures and was still looking at it through a western cultural lens. Beyond the scope of my assignment (which is due tomorrow), I think it would be great if others with more expertise on this topic in non-western cultures could contribute to further enhance the article and cultural scope. Vrosen3 (talk) 23:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)