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Bad last paragraph

the last paragraph is very badly written. it says he "accomplished nothing in the area of disorder", which is confusing, since it sounds like it is saying "he did not accomplish disorder", which he did. i'm sure it is meant to say ,that he worsened it, but if this is the case, it should be better stated.

"Peod on a rabbit"?

What is with this line: "Predictably, the man who peod on a rabbit was appointed to transcribe these laws was a eupatrid?" It's quite amusing, but lacking gravitas. It looks like someone inserted the phrase "peod on a rabbit."

63.107.91.99 19:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC) JonTom Kittredge[reply]

Looks like someone on January 19 added that phrase ("peod on a rabbit"). I just removed it. --Primetime 22:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last four paragraphs are redundant and badly written. Simply removing those four would not hurt the article.

You're right that some of it is redundant. However, they do provide details not mentioned in the first paragraphs. Perhaps they should be merged? --Primetime 23:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recording artist, Draco

His real name is Robbie Rosa and he is the Latino "Puff Daddy" - an award-winning producer, writer, and recording artist. Once a member of Menudo, he wrote & produced "Living La Vida Loca" for Ricky Martin.

I heard this on an early Sunday morning show called "American Latino."

Honestly, who cares and why is this here? What pertinence does any of this at all, have to do with this article? How insignificant can you get? Stevenmitchell (talk) 16:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Would people mind if I moved this to Draco (lawgiver) and moved the Draco (disambiguation) page here? The reason why I ask is because, as an astronomer, I am more likely to be looking for several other things named Draco than the ancient Greek lawgiver. I also think that the general public will not necessarily be looking up the lawgiver more than 30% of the time either. GeorgeJBendo 13:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

And now?

so whats happened to Draco [law] now? Any possibility of adding anything?

The page looks like garbage on my web browser. Does it look like garbage on other people's browsers? Should I revert the page to a previous version? GeorgeJBendo 07:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move Draco → Draco (lawgiver) and move Draco (disambiguation) → Draco. This is based on the search results supplied by the supporters and the lack of supporting evidence from the opposers for their position. —Doug Bell ^talk 09:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Draco → Draco (lawgiver) — Most people searching for "Draco" are probably not going to be searching for the ancient Athenian lawgiver. It is more likely that they will be searching for the constellation or one of several fictional characters named Draco. The page "Draco (disambiguation)" should be moved to "Draco", and the page "Draco" (currently an article on the lawgiver) should be moved to "Draco (lawgiver)". Dr. Submillimeter 09:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Support - Dr. Submillimeter 09:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I need some statistics to be convinced that the constellation or fictional characters are more common searches. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This is a fair request. A (UK) Google search on "Draco" turns up the Wikipedia articles as the first set of items, this page on the constellation and related pages as the second set of items, this page on the constellation and related pages as the third set of items, this page on a Windows application as the fourth item, and this page on the constellation as the fifth item. Draco the lawgiver is the topic of the ninth item in the search. Draco Malfoy is the topic of the tenth. From this analysis, I conclude that the constellation is more important than other uses of Draco. Hence, moving Draco to Draco (lawgiver) is justified. Dr. Submillimeter 07:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I would suppose that Draco (source for the term Draconian), Draco (star pattern) and Draco (dragon) would be equal in search. 132.205.44.134 23:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Beardo 05:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as per Akhilleus, I would need some more elements to be convinced of Sublimiter's point; and his example is not necessarily convincing, as the position of Draco only among the first 10 is too little; also, a search in Google book search or Google scholar is overwhelmingly in favour of Draco the lawgiver.--Aldux 13:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support - my google search for draco turned up more links for other stuff than for the Greek.
Oppose-this is probably the source of all future uses of the word in any context. Therefore it is the most important, even if not the most searched for.J. M. 08:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose-the lawmaker is more important than all the other obscure references on the disambiguation page.

Discussion

Comment - Note the parallel discussion on Talk:Draco (disambiguation). Renaming this article will allow Draco (disambiguation) to be moved to Draco. Dr. Submillimeter 09:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note to administrator - This article may still be moved if Draco (disambiguation) is not renamed Draco. Dr. Submillimeter 09:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Death by Acclamation!

Supposedly Draco died when he entered an amphitheater and cloaks were showered on him as a symbol of approval. He was smothered. I can't find the original source for this statement, which may be false, but it's so ancient, it probably ought to be used anyway. Student7 02:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Written Laws

The laws written by Draco were not the first - written laws that were available to all literate citizens existed in both Sumerian and Babylonian cultures. The Sumerian example would be the Ur-Nammu Law Code, the Babylonian one beingf the Akkadian Law Code of Hammurabi. (ref: pp83, The Sumerians: Their History, Culture and Character - Kramer, Samuel Noah - University of Chicago Press - ISBN 0-226-45238-7) However, these laws were on clay tablets, they were not publicly posted. It would probably be fair to say the Greek laws were the first public notices of the legal code

Well first off his name was Drakon, secondly his law-code was not unique in the Greek world in the seventh century: at Dreros a law was passed c. 650-600 about the holding of office and Zaleukos of Locri in southern Italy, who was known as the first law-giver, also belongs to this period. Take that wikipedia. Source: Social and Historical Documents from Archaic Times to the Death of Socrates (c. 800 - 399 BC) by Matthew Dillon and Lynda Garland published by Routledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.86.19 (talk) 18:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up needed

The second [third] sentence of the "Life" section is nonsense. Anyone know what it is trying to say? Rknasc (talk) 13:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first and last sentences of the "Life" section are contradictory an'or confusing. They should be put together, and better stated to avoid confusion. Mahasamoot (talk) 14:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little traslation please...

The Greek words and quote are appreciated but an English translation would be helpful for those that do not speak Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.151.58 (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Council of Five Hundred Unclear

The distinction between the Council of Five Hundred and the Council of Four Hundred is unclear. Is this a typo? "They elected the Council of Four Hundred from among their number" A quick google search showed results for both a Council of Five Hundred and four hundred with respect to ancient Athens.--Telnoratti (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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